None of Your Business!


This post doesn’t live here anymore. It migrated to my other blog:

The Big No-No:  An Outsider on American Fascism, where it resides under the title:

Are You a U.S. Citizen?: Crossing Internal Checkpoints While Alien”

10 responses to “None of Your Business!

  1. My understanding is that there is a certain distance within the border in which the Border Patrol can set up checkpoints and has greater leeway than they would on, say, a random freeway in Oklahoma. Those checkpoints you’re talking about fall within those boundaries, and it’s within the Federal government’s power to challenge motorists at the checkpoint and expect answers.

    The best bet for anyone is just to give an honest, straightforward answer so they can get on with their day. Giving them flip answers could result in being delayed.

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    • Sure, it would be quicker to just do what they say. But the whole point is that they don’t actually have the power to hold you if you don;t answer their questions, and the only reason they get away with it is exactly because people in general find it more convenient to be on their way than to stand on their rights.

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  2. Don’t forget, they teach them to lose a little thing like ‘humor’ in police academy.. Quite black and white those fellers!

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  3. Barbara,
    I watched the first video you pointed to, and I guess the counter-argument to be made is that you can refuse to cooperate without being obnoxious or rude to the people involved (hint – don’t bring up the term Nazis). The people manning the roadblocks didn’t make the policy decision to set them up, and they have no power to change that policy. If you want to express outrage, then either (1) express it directly to the people who decided to set up these roadblocks or have the power to influence that decision (legislators), or (2) write about it and try to get your friends/readers to join you in any effort to get this changed. Ok, so you’re doing option 2 already. Let people know how they can help.

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    • I don’t mean to compare the checkpoints to the civil rights movement, because the inconvenience of checkpoints is dwarfed compared to the racism of segregation. However, whatever the range of a problem, standing up to it, like Rosa Parks did, brings attention to it in a way that writing about it or trying to convince your congressperson. I don’t really like the Nazi references either, because you’re right; the officers themselves can’t help it. But the politely repeated “Am I being detained” aren’t hurting anyone.

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  4. The US Supreme Court upheld these checkpoints, 7 to 2, in 1976:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2012_S1

    If they keep out illegal aliens . . . YAY!

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    • Yes, it upheld the checkpoints, but you have to have a suspicion to ask people where they’re from or to search their car. Most people don’t know that. As to keeping illegal aliens out, they don’t. They just keep most illegal aliens south of the checkpoints. But I agree that the checkpoints do stop lots of illegal aliens and–more importantly, to me–drugs from going north. That said, they do infringe on legal people’s rights, and that should be addressed.

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  5. US police terrify me – some of them just swagger about with a terrifying combination of ignorance and aggression and THEY HAVE MASSIVE GUNS!!!??? Sorry if this offends any lovely American policepersons – I’m basing this on some horrible experiences I’ve had in US airports… Barbara – it must be very tempting to wind them up…

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